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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#11 Postby Danum » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:26 pm

lucky9 wrote:Testing is testing software pure and simple. But normally this late in the testing cycle things are fairly stable, but they're not Stable.

So in essence you are saying Antix is not a stable Distro, because that uses Wheezy.
I will also add the version of KDE that Mepis uses was not classified as stable by Debian either, plus if you use it as KDE4 should be used with at least of the default apps you will end up hosing your system, and have to do a reinstall, that has been like that since day one of the release, and has never been rectified,
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#12 Postby lucky9 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:56 pm

I'm running a vanilla Mepis 11 system. With the default installation and updatesI have absolutely no problems with it.
I also have run a Mepis 11 with different non-default repositories enabled. Depending on the 'mix' of repositories (backports, multimedia, Community, etc.) stability can be compromised.

debian Stable is known the world over as a preeminent server OS. I know I really don't have to say more.
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#13 Postby Danum » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:04 pm

Try running a default install as a KDE4 system, Not an extension of KDE3. and then you will hose your system 100% guarantied
I do hope you will express you feelings and advice with regards to Wheezy in the same manor when WW releases the next version of Mepis.
Should be interesting
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#14 Postby lucky9 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:17 pm

Warren seems to be able to put out a custom OS that has most of the attributes of debian Stable and very few defects. It's never a good idea to use absolutes, but with that proviso I'd rate Mepis as one of the very best customized debian derivatives.
Pure debian is not really something for the average person. It takes some knowledge to get a system up and running at all. All the parts are there, but it's a box of parts that need integration with the hardware that you are running. Mepis, by and large does that integration for you. It's well worth the cost involved for almost all Users.
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#15 Postby richb » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:27 pm

Remember, however that the wheezy repos will be in the sources list just as the squeeze repos are in the sources list for M11. That means a user can, and most will, pull from wheezy when installing software.

I have always thought it unfortunate that Debian uses the terms stable and testing. While they are descriptive of the purposes of the repos they give the wrong impression about the "testing" repo being somewhat dangerous to use, which is not the case. Especially not the case when close to a freeze.
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#16 Postby Danum » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:46 pm

richb wrote:I have always thought it unfortunate that Debian uses the terms stable and testing. While they are descriptive of the purposes of the repos they give the wrong impression about the "testing" repo being somewhat dangerous to use, which is not the case. Especially not the case when close to a freeze.


Interesting Debian bug report,
Release-Critical-Bugs
Squeeze, 142
Wheezy, 2
All Bugs,
Squeeze, 35379
Wheezy, 44
Generated in 4.28696 seconds. Last data update: 2012-04-26T07:00:04+00:00 (17.8 hours ago)
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#17 Postby lucky9 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:00 am

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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#18 Postby Arjen » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:16 am

Thanks for your comments. I seem to have triggered a discussion (again?) on stability of Squeeze vs Wheezy. :-) In my view, installing/upgrading packages always introduces the risk of things breaking and I often try - but not always succeed ;-) - in keeping to the principle: why install/upgrade when what you have works?

By the way, how can Squeeze have 142 RC bugs when it's already been released?
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#19 Postby richb » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:23 am

Arjen wrote:Thanks for your comments. I seem to have triggered a discussion (again?) on stability of Squeeze vs Wheezy. :-) In my view, installing/upgrading packages always introduces the risk of things breaking and I often try - but not always succeed ;-) - in keeping to the principle: why install/upgrade when what you have works?

By the way, how can Squeeze have 142 RC bugs when it's already been released?

I upgrade regularly. Why, when everything works? Because of security fixes and application enhancements that give new features or make old features work better or more efficiently.

Why does Squeeze have bugs? Because nothing is perfect.
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Re: Mepis Roadblock KDE 4:4.8.1 release update

#20 Postby Danum » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:01 pm

Arjen wrote:By the way, how can Squeeze have 142 RC bugs when it's already been released?


Debian “squeeze” Release Information

Debian 6.0.0 was initially released on February 6th, 2011. The release included many major changes,
Contrary to our wishes, there may be some problems that exist in the release, even though it is declared stable.

Debian Squeeze 6.0.1 released. March 19th, 2011 .
Debian Squeeze 6.0.2 released. June 25th, 2011
Debian Squeeze 6.0.3 was released October 8th, 2011
Debian Squeeze 6.0.4 was released January 28th, 2012. (current)
Debian Squeeze 6.05 release. asp as it is overdue.
http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-ker ... 0-5-a.html
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