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Post Here We Go Again - KDE 4.9
Announced today

KDE Announces 4.9 Release Candidate 1

Today KDE released the first release candidate for its renewed Workspaces,
Applications, and Development Platform. With API, dependency and feature
freezes in place, the KDE team's focus is now on fixing bugs and further
polishing new and old functionality. Highlights of 4.9 include:

* Qt Quick in Plasma Workspaces -- Qt Quick is continuing to make its way into
the Plasma Workspaces, the Qt Quick Plasma Components, which have been
introduced with 4.8, mature further. Additional integration of various KDE
APIs was added through new modules. More parts of Plasma Desktop have been
ported to QML. While preserving their functionality, the Qt Quick
replacements of common plasmoids are visually more attractive, easier to
enhance and extend and behave better on touchscreens.

* The Dolphin file manager has improved its display and sorting and searching
based on metadata. Files can now be renamed inline, giving a smoother user
experience.

* Deeper integration of Activities for files, windows and other resources:
Users can now more easily associate files and windows with an Activity, and
enjoy a more properly organized workspace. Folderview can now show files
related to an Activity, making it easier to organize files into meaningful
contexts.

* Many performance improvements and bugfixes improve the overall user
experience, making the KDE Applications and Workspaces more productive and
fun to use than ever before.


More improvements can be found in the 4.9 Feature Plan. As with any large
number of changes, we need to give 4.9 a good testing in order to maintain and
improve the quality and our user's user experience when they get the update.

Read more at: http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.9-rc1.php
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I would prefer KDE 3.x or Trinity by far.


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Distro-Don wrote:
I would prefer KDE 3.x or Trinity by far.


As much as we all liked KDE 3.5, that horse has been dead for a long time. Warren's default implementations of KDE 4 in M8.5 and M11 went a long way toward easing the transition. I myself got over the growing pains in short order, and now look at KDE 3.5 as antiquated and W98-ish. That's not to say it wasn't a superb DTE in its time, but that time has been long passed.

If you're anything like me, once you get through the first day or two or three of discomfort and WTF moments, it'll all fall into place.

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Actually I've been reading a bit about QT5 and of course that means KDE5! Will it ever end? Let's hope not.


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Distro-Don wrote:
I would prefer KDE 3.x or Trinity by far.


Pre KDE 4.5, I was the biggest naysayer for it. Now, I love it! There is a fairly steep learning curve if you have been used to 3x, but there is a lot of good Mepis knowledge to help.

If limited hardware is an issue, a distro using XFCE 4.8 is worth considering; it's pretty good now if you like the W98 retro feel.

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uncle mark wrote:
Distro-Don wrote:
I would prefer KDE 3.x or Trinity by far.


As much as we all liked KDE 3.5, that horse has been dead for a long time. Warren's default implementations of KDE 4 in M8.5 and M11 went a long way toward easing the transition. I myself got over the growing pains in short order, and now look at KDE 3.5 as antiquated and W98-ish. That's not to say it wasn't a superb DTE in its time, but that time has been long passed.

If you're anything like me, once you get through the first day or two or three of discomfort and WTF moments, it'll all fall into place.


I have been using MEPIS 11.0.12 with KDE 4.x since it came out. I still prefer KDE 3.x and I think I would like Trinity a lot better. I haven't had a chance to try it yet but from what I have read, it would be my favorite by far.


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Distro-Don wrote:
I would prefer KDE 3.x or Trinity by far.

The Trinity option is open to you: http://trinitydesktop.org/installation.php#debian

However, KDE is much more than just a window manager. After converting to Trinity, I'd expect many KDE applications will be missing or will be very different than their KDE counterparts.

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In this case you will have to go with the flow if you want an up to date distro. If you want to stick to 3.x you are going to have to look out for a different one that supports it still because on mepis it'll soon be entirely outdated.

Also.. what Joany said.

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fbt wrote:
Actually I've been reading a bit about QT5 and of course that means KDE5! Will it ever end? Let's hope not.


Yes and no.

From what I can tell by talking with people actually involved with producing the KDE Software compilation, there are no plans to perform another entire revamp. One of the points in building KDE4 to begin with was to leave the aging KDE 3.x code in the dust. KDE 3.x is littered with large amounts of undocumented black-boxes of code that compile and works, but nobody knows how they work. KDE 3.x was also user-hostile, and bringing in new development blood was, well, impossible. Again, lack of documentation.

The code-base is now where the developers are comfortable with it and can make changes without having to redo large sections of underlying code. Underlying code can also be updated without having revamp the entire software compilation. Case in point: tools have already been produced to automate the conversion of code produced under QT4 to QT5: http://www.kdab.com/automated-porting-f ... 4-to-qt-5/

KDE's ability to separate the program functionality from the program interface is why you can already switch from the KDE-Desktop to KDE-Netbook in real time, and also to KDE-Contour if you have Contour installed: http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active/Contour

This separation means that new user-interface elements can implemented in KDE4+ by simply writing a new desktop configuration rather than having to recode a new configuration from scratch.

Also: as a note: this is why you can set up KDE4.x to look and behave like KDE3.5.x.

Simply right click on a KDE desktop. If you are not in Folder View you will have an option probably listed as Desktop Settings.

If you are in Folder View you will probably have an option that says Folder View Settings.

Either one will take you the Plasma Desktop Shell. Here, under layout you have a wide range of options with which to configure your desktop.

The KDE 3.5.x usage model is exposed through Folder View

There, as simple as that and your desktop will behave like KDE 3 series.

There are other things you can do, like add a traditional application launcher, or even have the separate windows for different desktops.

The reality is this: all of the functionality of KDE 3 series is exposed in KDE4. All of the functionality that was not in the initial KDE 4 releases has been put back in.

People who want Trinity because they liked how it worked, or how it operated, should really stop and consider that they don't have to give up their old usage habits in KDE4. The KDE developers are not like the Gnome developers, and do not remove functionality with no intention of putting that functionality back in.

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Saist wrote:
People who want Trinity because they liked how it worked, or how it operated, should really stop and consider that they don't have to give up their old usage habits in KDE4. The KDE developers are not like the Gnome developers, and do not remove functionality with no intention of putting that functionality back in.


It took a little trial and error to get used to the Panel configuration and menu configuration differences, and Dolphin was just different enough from Konqueror to give me pause, but I got over all of that in short order. In actual use, once I got everything tweaked to my satisfaction I've not been slowed down one bit.

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