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Warren Tweeted...

#1 Postby chrispop99 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:29 am

'Finally settled down enough to do some work on M12. Uploading a 3.9.8 kernel right now.'

Maybe more testing at the weekend?

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#2 Postby rschaffter » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:24 am

I hope he goes ultimately goes with a 3.10 Kernel, which just went final, as it fixes an issue with my laptop...

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#3 Postby Jerry3904 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:39 am

He may well, but this is what he will use for the next beta. He emailed me that he will turn to some community suggestions in a few days (probably means over the 4th holiday), so I am hoping to see a b2 in a week to 10 days.
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#4 Postby GuiGuy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:51 am

Glad to hear that progress on M12 is imminent.

I would like to add a request for an additional facility on the DVD, to restore the MSWindows MBR.
This is for people who have installed Mepis for dualbooting, then deleted or corrupted the Mepis partition so that their machine has become unbootable.
I don't know how easy this would be, but it would be a lifesaver for some people, and possibly prevent some of the "Linux broke my computer" stories.

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#5 Postby lucky9 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:58 am

Currently you can do this using TestDisk. You run it from a Konsole/Terminal. It's been on every Final version of Mepis that I'm aware of.
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#6 Postby JimC » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:12 am

rschaffter wrote:I hope he goes ultimately goes with a 3.10 Kernel, which just went final, as it fixes an issue with my laptop...


+1

The latest 3.10 kernel has lots of new features (for example, a refinement of the algorithms allowing use of an SSD for both read and write cache along with another drive). That's very similar to what Apple is doing with their "Fusion Drive" setup, and much better than what Intel is doing with their SRT (Storage Response Technology), since the Intel Solution is read only cache, and the Apple Fusion Solution handles both read and write cache (as does the Linux Kernel 3.10 if you want to use an SSD for cache purposes with a physical drive). Linux 3.9 had some features implementing use of an SSD for cache. But, 3.10 refines it so that it's a block level cache now from what I gather from reading about it. So, it would be nice to see those types of features implemented in Mepis.

I'm also seeing some other interesting features in 3.10 (faster http access, etc.) that could come in useful to increase performance for typical users; and of course, the newer the kernel, the better support for newer hardware (for example, enhancements for AMD video card drivers would be nice to have in Mepis).

The H Online has an article about the new features in 3.10 here:

http://www.h-online.com/open/features/W ... 02270.html

So, it would be nice to see Mepis include a 3.10 kernel with those types of features available.

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#7 Postby GuiGuy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:40 am

lucky9 wrote:Currently you can do this using TestDisk. You run it from a Konsole/Terminal. It's been on every Final version of Mepis that I'm aware of.

Thanks, lucky, I was not aware of that.
Does it work?
As it is, the "Linux broke my computer" brigade would never find it, let alone use it successfully from a root console.
Assuming that it does work, I think it needs to be made more accessible.

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#8 Postby rschaffter » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:22 pm

GuiGuy wrote:
lucky9 wrote:Currently you can do this using TestDisk. You run it from a Konsole/Terminal. It's been on every Final version of Mepis that I'm aware of.

Thanks, lucky, I was not aware of that.
Does it work?
As it is, the "Linux broke my computer" brigade would never find it, let alone use it successfully from a root console.
Assuming that it does work, I think it needs to be made more accessible.

I never knew that either. I always used FIXMBR in the Windows Recovery Console on the Windows CD...

As far as Kernels go, I'm using the 3.5 Kernel which does work for me, so hopefully it stays in the repo for a while...

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#9 Postby lucky9 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:07 pm

In TestDisk it's labeled 'MBR code: Write MBR code to first sector' and it needs to be run on an unmounted partition. Best practice is from the Mepis LiveDisk or PartedMagic or similar bootable LiveDisk.

I'm pretty sure it used to be labeled MSDOS boot code. Or at least something slightly less cryptic. However it will repair an MBR from the Mepis LiveDVD.
I prefer one of the tools such as PartedMagic as it is labeled to be more easily understood. But there are many tools for repairing the MBR to an MSDOS state.
Just to repair an MBR to boot Linux is very easily done by Mepis and it's System Assistant (in Mepis 11). In the beta you'll need to use the update-grub command.
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#10 Postby m_pav » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:25 pm

The reason Windows breaks is not because of a Linux install, but because of the users inability to properly prepare and/or maintain their system PRIOR to attempting any partition modification.

The NTFS file system is very poorly designed and requires lots of ongoing maintenance, which to my mind makes it pathetically weak and unstable. If you run windows, you NEED to maintain your computer weekly, not monthly, quarterly or less. The maintenance needs to include regular disk checks with the reapir option forced each time, and for Windows 8 users, the option to force the fix and repair option is paramount because it is just as unstable as Vista and by default, it does not fix!. Windows 7 needs a forced checkdisk at least once a month in addition to proper cleaning and defragmenting, those that neglect this step are the ones who experience the failures.

Sorry for the digression, but the facts are the facts. Proprietary and professional Windows partitioning tools will also fail and cause breakages under the same circumstances.

Now if there could be any improvement in the Mepis installer that checks for the conditions above, or at least very clearly warns of them, then the breakages would be far less and there would be little to no reason to hear the all too common complaint, "Linux broke my windows". No the user broke it by their inaction, followed by their action on a dodgy and ill-prepared file system. Maybe this could be raised with Warren so as to enable him to add an additional disclaimer to the installer, not for the purposes of creating annoyance, but so the user is absolutely clear that they need to properly prep their Windows system before making any changes.

I would be happy to write the draft of such detailing the necessary steps and have a wordsmith like Jerry tidy it up.
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