Valve has some questions for you

Message
Author
User avatar
Saist
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 797
Age: 34
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:57 am

Valve has some questions for you

#1 Postby Saist » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:09 pm

Valve has some questions it would like some answers to:

Why do you use Linux (if you do)? What would you like to see Valve do here? What about non-game related things? If you’ve got any ideas, suggestions, whatever, please send them our way.


Here are the answers I gave:

Why do you use Linux (if you do)?

For me I have several reasons. I've been through most of the stages that many of your other /Linux users will go through, such as:

  • Curiosity as to what /Linux is
  • Curiosity as to what other Operating Systems there are available
  • Knee jerk response to Microsoft

My current usage of /Linux is dictated by well, more pragmatic reasons. Bruce Byfield actually has one of the better rundowns on this subject: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/k ... s-7-1.html
KDE basically, well, dominates in terms of desktop ease of usage. KDE has far more functionally and is far more flexible, and thus far more useful, than any other desktop environment on any operating system. I use Linux specifically because it lets me actually -use- my computer on my terms.

I suppose a better question would be: Why do I still use Microsoft Windows at all? Quick shot there: I'm a gamer. Game publishers don't know how to approach /Linux, and therefor if I want to game I'm either stuck with half-useful emulation solutions or wrappers. Which don't always work.


What would you like to see Valve do here? What about non-game related things?

These two kind of go together. I've written about this subject before back in 2009: http://zerias.blogspot.com/2009/05/how- ... e-can.html

Okay, yes, that post is a bit on the dreamy side in aspect of micro-payment potential, but the rest of I think is still very pertinent. Commercial publishers, and for that matter commercial developers, don't know how to approach Linux for multiple reasons. How do game publishers handle the packaging question? How do game publishers handle the API questions? How do publishers handle secure purchases?

In fairness some of the issues have been addressed in the intervening years. Android/Linux has helped force the issue on API's used by developers. The Consumer Desktop Linux market is largely split between Distributions on Debian(pure) or Debian(Ubuntu), to the point that if you target Debian(pure) for development you can probably be pretty sure your application will be compatible with whatever /Linux the downstream user has installed. Application stores such as Steam, Itunes, Amazon Android App Store, and GooglePlay have gotten the average customers used to the concepts behind central-package-management and package-repositories.

I think there is a lot of room for Valve to move within Desktop /Linux in respect to games. However, that does come with some caveats. GNU/Linux is not going to be an automatic million-dollar maker out of the door. The commercial games industry has shot itself in the ass so many times on the /Linux subject that most of the commercial games target market no longer cares. Granted the inability of the commercial games market to target Linux has been a fueling factor to the explosion of Independent developers: case in point being things like Humble Bundle, Indie Royale, and Kickstarter.

I suspect that a lot of the Desktop/Linux market is going to be looking for parity first: e.g. games they already have on Steam becoming available for download and play on /Linux. But Valve's been in this position before when Steam was just getting started on Windows, and when Steam first hit OSX. I'm pretty sure that Valve has a handle on what it means to grow a market, and customers will always be looking to purchase entertainment.

***

As far as non-game in relation to applications I'm not sure there's a lot of immediate room to work. Valve has hinted at a desire in the past to get involved with pushing commercial software packages through Steam and not just games. This is probably a smart move on Valve's part.

However, there is no shortage of non-game software within GNU/Linux, a factor of the commercial market's inability to get consumer software products onto GNU/Linux. Some of the major applications consumers use today, such as Firefox, Chrome Browser, Libre Office, and VLC, have roots in /Linux development. Most GNU/Linux distributions have a wide-range of software preloaded to address most common computer usage requirements, and pretty much all GNU/Linux distributions leverage package-repositories for additional software packages. E.G. major point of using a GNU/Linux to begin with.

Where I think there is a lot of future room to work is within the definition of non-game but still pertaining to entertainment. Expanding Steam to include movies, music, or even e-books, would help broaden the appeal of the Steam platform.

Another long-term factor would be Steam on Android in general. One of the benefits to the Android software ecosystem has been the competing application stores and the ability to load applications that don't come from stores. Sony's gearing up to enter the competition with Playstation Suite, which will connect with other Sony services for music and movies. Sony seems to be setting themselves up where they sell content without regard to hardware. Buy a movie on Playstation Suite and watch it on your PS3, PS4, Vita, or any device capable of running Playstation Suite.

What I don't know is whether or not Valve is actually working with Sony on this positioning. I can very easily see a deal going down between Valve and Sony for SteamPlay Content to automatically include access to that content on Playstation Suite, and vice versa.


If anybody else wants to weigh in with their thoughts for Valve, I'll be happy to pass them along or direct you to the right person.
Last edited by Saist on Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
richb
Administrator
Posts: 12978
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:17 pm

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#2 Postby richb » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:11 pm

And what is Valve? Never heard of it.
Forum Rules
Guide - How to Ask for Help

Rich

Laptop: Acer V5-572G: Intel i5, 12 GIG mem, Intel graphics, SanDisk SSD, 256GB
Virtualbox: Win 7
Desktop: MX-15- 64, AMD A8 7600 FM2+ CPU R7 Graphics, fglrx driver, 16 GIG Mem. Samsung EVO SSD 250 GB

fbt
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 799
Joined: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:09 pm

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#3 Postby fbt » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:52 pm

richb wrote:And what is Valve? Never heard of it.


I thought this might help http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... px=MTA5MjQ but probably not. I believe they do games and video stuff.

User avatar
Saist
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 797
Age: 34
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:57 am

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#4 Postby Saist » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:28 pm

fbt wrote:
richb wrote:And what is Valve? Never heard of it.


I thought this might help http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... px=MTA5MjQ but probably not. I believe they do games and video stuff.


Oh, it's the same thing. I'm still kinda waiting for responses from the Mepis Community that I can forward to Valve.

fbt
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 799
Joined: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:09 pm

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#5 Postby fbt » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:14 pm

Well it's kind of difficult for me ask Valve to do anything when I really don't know what they do or what they want out of Linux. My only suggestion would be for them to do what they like or what they think is important.

User avatar
Adrian
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 6134
Age: 41
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:42 am

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#6 Postby Adrian » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:00 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation
They made popular games like Half Life and Portal, they also make Steam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software) which is rumored that will be released on Linux sometime in the future.

Since I'm one of the people who boots to Windows to play Portal and I hate to do that, I would hope they will release games for Linux too. Since they already do Mac versions it shouldn't be THAT hard to make another Unixy port...

I use Linux because it's a better OS, cheaper, and provides more liberties.

User avatar
Saist
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 797
Age: 34
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:57 am

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#7 Postby Saist » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:14 am

Adrian wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation
They made popular games like Half Life and Portal, they also make Steam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_(software) which is rumored that will be released on Linux sometime in the future.

Since I'm one of the people who boots to Windows to play Portal and I hate to do that, I would hope they will release games for Linux too. Since they already do Mac versions it shouldn't be THAT hard to make another Unixy port...

I use Linux because it's a better OS, cheaper, and provides more liberties.


It's no longer a rumor.

I can confirm from Valve that the GNU/Linux client is now official fact.

User avatar
Adrian
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 6134
Age: 41
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:42 am

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#8 Postby Adrian » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:53 am

That's good news for gamers, I hope they will port old games to Linux too.

User avatar
Saist
Forum Regular
Forum Regular
Posts: 797
Age: 34
Joined: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:57 am

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#9 Postby Saist » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:56 am

Adrian wrote:That's good news for gamers, I hope they will port old games to Linux too.


As far as I am aware, all of Valve's Source Engine games should be making /Linux appearances, starting with Left 4 Dead 2 and Portal 2.

The old Gold-Source titles... I haven't heard anything about.

User avatar
Adrian
Forum Veteran
Forum Veteran
Posts: 6134
Age: 41
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:42 am

Re: Valve has some questions for you

#10 Postby Adrian » Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:11 am

Saist wrote:
Adrian wrote:That's good news for gamers, I hope they will port old games to Linux too.


As far as I am aware, all of Valve's Source Engine games should be making /Linux appearances, starting with Left 4 Dead 2 and Portal 2.

The old Gold-Source titles... I haven't heard anything about.

Great, now I wonder if I have to buy Portal 2 again...


Return to “Chat”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest