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Post # 298737
 Re: Whoa there, Trigger!
I would argue the point that wheezy is not a good choice. The Debian maintainers are very conservative, and yes it is termed testing, but my experience is that applications are very solid, and if issues occur are corrected very quickly. _________________ Forum Rules Guide - How to Ask for Help Link to Wiki Rich Acer Laptop 5750G: Intel i5, 4 GIG mem, nVidia GT540M/Intel integrated graphics Kubuntu 13.04, KDE 4.10.2 M12 Alpha 2 in VirtualBox |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:05 am |
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Post # 298738
Re: Whoa there, Trigger!
We tried Ubuntu as a base in the past. There are lots of reasons we abandoned Ubuntu like a cat booking it out of a dog show. Given from what we've witnessed publicly in recent months, such as the treatment of Kubuntu and the Unity Desktop, the development situation with Ubuntu derivatives has actually gotten worse. I expect we'll see some of the better known Ubuntu derivatives scampering back to a Debian(pure) base just to get clear of Canonical. _________________ Slow, lazy, but still around: Call me if ya need help http://zerias.blogspot.com http://www.mepisguides.com Biting the Bullet: Help Want to buy Mepis Based Computer? Ask me! http://bit.ly/fbs47I |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:11 am |
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Post # 298739
Re: Whoa there, Trigger! The point was not that debian testing has conservative packages or not. The point was, debian testing does not have security updates, since it is a testing version anyways. And that is a very different update method than debian-stable packages.
For desktop, use of testing is ok (but i would not do it). Mepis is supposed to be a single good distro to work anywhere (be it desktop or server), hence, it using a debian-testing base will not be a good choice. |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:14 am |
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MEPIS Guide   Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:49 pm Posts: 2454 Location: Doncaster UK Has thanked: 99 times Have thanks: 614 times
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Post # 298740
Re: Whoa there, Trigger!
If debian testing does not have security updates what is this repo. #deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free #deb-src http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free @Saist, Kubuntu have a new sponsor, so all at Kubuntu are happy campers, http://www.blue-systems.com/ _________________ *Never be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic(Windoze)* Kubuntu KDE 4.10.2 / Debian Wheezy-Experimental KDE 4.10.2 / Plasma Active 3 Tablet |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:20 am |
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Administrator Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:17 pm Posts: 8755 Location: Rochester NY Has thanked: 582 times Have thanks: 956 times
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Post # 298741
Re: Whoa there, Trigger! The point is whether Wheezy is suitable for Mepis. And therefore the conservative nature of the maintainers is germane. And as Danum pointed out there are security updates.
But the argument is moot as Warren will use what he wants. _________________ Forum Rules Guide - How to Ask for Help Link to Wiki Rich Acer Laptop 5750G: Intel i5, 4 GIG mem, nVidia GT540M/Intel integrated graphics Kubuntu 13.04, KDE 4.10.2 M12 Alpha 2 in VirtualBox |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:33 am |
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Post # 298742
Re: Whoa there, Trigger! Debian testing has only "some" security updates. Way less than available for debian stable.
See this link. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing Yes, the point is moot. Since, Warren is supreme. :) |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:43 am |
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MEPIS Enthusiast   Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:13 am Posts: 6455 Location: Geneva NY Has thanked: 1388 times Have thanks: 1037 times
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Post # 298743
Re: Whoa there, Trigger! Half an answer:
_________________ A Wiki only works when many eyes are on it. 32bit, 2.6.36-1-mepis-pae, KDE 4.6.5, AMD Phenom 9650 Quad-Core, Dell SP2309W with integrated webcam, Nvidia GeForce 6150SE, 4 GB DDR2 |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:19 am |
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MEPIS is cool!  Joined: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:09 pm Posts: 597 Location: Dallas, Texas Has thanked: 39 times Have thanks: 57 times
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Post # 298744
Re: Whoa there, Trigger!
The way I read this is that the packages that have made it to "testing" IE Wheezy at this time have had the security flaws that have appeared in their previous releases fixed. Therefore there is not as many security problems present. If something appears after their inclusion in "Testing" these problems will be addressed by security updates through the proper channels. #deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free #deb-src http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free The Debian people do not want to compromise anyone system in anyway. Remember they are running the same OS as the rest of us and as they test each release it will put their systems at the same risk because sooner or later you have to allow it to access the outside world (it cannot remain in an isolated environment forever) because when the end user gets it he/she is not going to be running inside a sterile environment. Steve _________________ I messed with the dragon and now I am ready for the ketchup! The only stupid question is the one you already know the answer. ~Krispy Kritter~ Toshiba Satellite A215-S7427(AMD-64) Windows7/M11(KDE4.6.5)/M11(RoadblockTRK2-32) via Grub2 |
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| Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:27 am |
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MEPIS Enthusiast  Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:45 pm Posts: 4873 Location: Penn's Woods Has thanked: 538 times Have thanks: 398 times
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Post # 298745
Re: Whoa there, Trigger!
This is consistent with Warren's numbering system, with major X.0 releases denoting changes to the Debian base, and minor X.5 releases denoting KDE/kernel upgrades to major releases. This is the information we've been looking for. What's interesting is that Warren is contemplating an experimental release. That's uncharacteristically cutting edge for him. _________________ SimplyMEPIS is SimplyTHEBEST Mepis 8.5; 2.6.32-1-mepis-pae (Internal 2.6.32-12); 4GB RAM 2.4GHz AMD Athlon 4600+ NVidia GeForce 6150 LE; 304.51 Display Driver |
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MEPIS Enthusiast Joined: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:13 am Posts: 6455 Location: Geneva NY Has thanked: 1388 times Have thanks: 1037 times
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Post # 298749
Re: Whoa there, Trigger!
_________________ A Wiki only works when many eyes are on it. 32bit, 2.6.36-1-mepis-pae, KDE 4.6.5, AMD Phenom 9650 Quad-Core, Dell SP2309W with integrated webcam, Nvidia GeForce 6150SE, 4 GB DDR2 |
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